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+ <a href=3D"#1a" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: nda advice from =
+frienda?</a>
+ From:=20
+ Mark Stephen Meadows </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">1b. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#1b" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: nda advice from =
+frienda?</a>
+ From:=20
+ Brian Wane </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">1c. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#1c" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: nda advice from =
+frienda?</a>
+ From:=20
+ Chris Hecker </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">1d. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#1d" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: nda advice from =
+frienda?</a>
+ From:=20
+ Elizabeth Goodman </dd>
+ </dl>
+ <dl style=3D"padding-bottom: 5px; font-family: Verdana; margi=
+n: 5px 0;">=20
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">2a. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#2a" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: summer intern - =
+know anyone?</a>
+ From:=20
+ Elizabeth Goodman </dd>
+ </dl>
+ <dl style=3D"padding-bottom: 5px; font-family: Verdana; margi=
+n: 5px 0;">=20
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3a. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3a" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Souris Hong-Porretta </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3b. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3b" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Daniel Terdiman </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3c. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3c" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Wiley Wiggins </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3d. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3d" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Wiley Wiggins </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3e. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3e" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Wiley Wiggins </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3f. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3f" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Rama Gottfried </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3g. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3g" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Wiley Wiggins </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3h. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3h" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ L. Souris Hong-Porretta </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">3i. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#3i" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: Apple Reboot</a>
+ From:=20
+ Daniel Terdiman </dd>
+ </dl>
+ <dl style=3D"padding-bottom: 5px; font-family: Verdana; margi=
+n: 5px 0;">=20
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4a. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4a" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> APPLE APPS and GOATS=
+</a>
+ From:=20
+ Souris Hong-Porretta </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4b. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4b" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: APPLE APPS and G=
+OATS</a>
+ From:=20
+ Jeannette Harshbarger </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4c. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4c" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: APPLE APPS and G=
+OATS</a>
+ From:=20
+ L. Souris Hong-Porretta </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4d. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4d" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: APPLE APPS and G=
+OATS</a>
+ From:=20
+ David Jacobs </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4e. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4e" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: APPLE APPS and G=
+OATS</a>
+ From:=20
+ Jeannette Harshbarger </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4f. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4f" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: APPLE APPS and G=
+OATS</a>
+ From:=20
+ Jeannette Harshbarger </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4g. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4g" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: APPLE APPS and G=
+OATS</a>
+ From:=20
+ L. Souris Hong-Porretta </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: =
+92%;">4h. </dt>=20
+<dd style=3D"margin-left: 25px; font-size: 77%; line-height:150%;">
+ <a href=3D"#4h" class=3D"ygrp-subj" style=3D"font-family: Georgia; text-d=
+ecoration: none; font-size: 120%; margin-right: 4px;"> Re: APPLE APPS and G=
+OATS</a>
+ From:=20
+ Kim Pallister </dd>
+ </dl>
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+ Re: nda advice from frienda? </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Mark Stephe=
+n Meadows" <a href=3D"mailto:mark@markmeadows.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20n=
+da%20advice%20from%20frienda%3F">
+ mark@markmeadows.com </a>
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+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 6:21&nbsp;am (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ <br>
+yeah, what mike said!<br>
+<br>
+an NDA is a bit of a class demarcation, like souris said (well,<br>
+or didn't, kinda). and who wants to spend their time chasing a<br>
+breached NDA, anyway? dirty lollipop syndrome!<br>
+<br>
+FrieNDA. Friend + NDA. personal + legal. it's a double-trust<br>
+factor. but, really, in the real world, the friend part is far<br>
+more important, more valuable, more interesting, and more<br>
+enforceable. an NDA is just a patch-job for a reputation. i<br>
+think someone else kinda said that, too.<br>
+<br>
+i've had dozens of m/NDAs signed in my day (at Construct, then<br>
+Headcase / E&amp;S), and i never felt really good about it. i've<br>
+signed as many and none of them ever protected an idea i didn't<br>
+already know about. in the end they're a waste of time.<br>
+<br>
+i like to think that a good idea is one that no one else on the<br>
+planet could implement.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Mike Kuniavsky wrote: I'm of the opinion that if someone I'm<br>
+talking to is assuring me that they're totally trustworthy, then<br>
+they should put a ring on it and sign the NDA without blinking.<br>
+An NDA isn't a patent. It's just an agreement that says that the<br>
+signer won't reveal what you told them to a potential <br>
+competitor. That's it. You can put a time limit on it, say three<br>
+months. Anyone, in any industry, should be able to keep from<br>
+telling a competitor about your idea for THREE MONTHS. If they<br>
+can't, or can't guarantee that, then they're probably not<br>
+someone you should be talking to. Conversely, when someone says<br>
+&quot;I can't tell you anything about my idea until you sign an NDA,&quot;=
+<br>
+I call bullshit on that, too. You can tell me something. You can<br>
+tell me just about everything except for what your secret sauce<br>
+is, and that'll get me close enough to knowing whether I even <br>
+want to know what the secret sauce is. In either case, I say<br>
+absolutes kill trust. They kill trust when someone says that<br>
+they're not willing to meet you even an inch of the way (aka <br>
+sign a simple NDA) and they kill when someone says that they<br>
+can't trust you at all until they have an iron clad guarantee of<br>
+confidentiality (which an NDA isn't, so that's bullshit, too). <br>
+Finally, I have never heard of someone being sued for breach of<br>
+NDA. It's just not important enough in the larger scheme of<br>
+things. It IS important, however, as a small trust-building step<br>
+at the right point in a discussion. On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Kim<br>
+Pallister wrote: VC's are in this camp too. Sent<br>
+from my SpacePhone On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:46 PM, &quot;L. Souris<br>
+Hong-Porretta&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">so=
+uris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlero=
+fcul<wbr>ture.com</a>&gt; wrote: Depending<br>
+on who you are talking to, they might not sign an NDA at all. I<br>
+know that when we had our game studio, the publishers would<br>
+not sign NDAs to talk to us. This happens in a lot of creative<br>
+studios here in Hollywood too. I also know that at EMV we NEVER<br>
+or well, RARELY signed NDAs. Our job is to listen to<br>
+pitches ALL DAY LONG and I can tell you that 99 out of 100 times<br>
+we were being pitched something that was related-to or an<br>
+iteration of something else we'd heard before. We didn't <br>
+sign NDAs as standard practice, bc we didn't need TOM, DICK, or<br>
+KYOUNG coming back to sue us if we moved forward with one<br>
+of the companies and they decided we &quot;stole&quot; their idea. We also<=
+br>
+relied on our reputations so it wasn't in our interest to<br>
+tell everyone about everything we ever heard. Everybody knows<br>
+I'm a fucking big mouth, but everyone also knows, your<br>
+abortion-serious-<wbr>secret is safe with me. It really depends on<br>
+what the project is and whom you're discussing it with. My two<br>
+cents. xosourisxo On Jan 16, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Kyoung Kim<br>
+wrote: hi frienda, was wondering in your practices, when do<br>
+you think is the &quot;right&quot; time to present an nda (in approaching<b=
+r>
+developers, contractors, investors, etc.).? may seem like a dumb<br>
+question, but well, you know. thanks, kyoung **** souris<br>
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+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Brian Wane"=
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+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 7:41&nbsp;am (PST) </h4>
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+ <br><br>
+ On 1/19/2011 7:13 PM, christian svanes kolding wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; it should also be added that NDA or no NDA, if you think someone stole=
+ <br>
+&gt; your idea, you'd better be serious about it and understand that, right=
+ <br>
+&gt; or wrong, there will be consequences.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; no one in any of the creative industries likes to be accused of <br>
+&gt; stealing. thus, i would imagine that in 99% of the cases, people would=
+ <br>
+&gt; rather avoid having anything to do with someone who starts pointing <b=
+r>
+&gt; fingers - even if the accuser is justified.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+We have our ideas taken all the time after an NDA is signed, usually at <br=
+>
+the request of the other party. It isn't worth pursuing. Bringing it up <br=
+>
+means that relationship is over. You may ask, well, if they took your <br>
+idea or part of it then why would you work with them again? To which I <br>
+respond- they like your ideas and will probably fund one in the future. <br=
+>
+This has been my experience at least.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, I eye rolled at Hecker's comment, too. NDA signing douche bags unite!<=
+br>
+<br>
+&gt; <br>
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+ Re: nda advice from frienda? </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Chris Hecke=
+r" <a href=3D"mailto:checker@d6.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20nda%20advice%20=
+from%20frienda%3F">
+ checker@d6.com </a>
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+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 11:59&nbsp;am (PST) </h4>
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+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ <br>
+&gt; Yes, I eye rolled at Hecker's comment, too. NDA signing douche bags<br=
+>
+&gt; unite!<br>
+<br>
+Don't worry, you guys massively outnumber us!<br>
+<br>
+Chris<br>
+<br>
+On 2011/01/20 07:41, Brian Wane wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 1/19/2011 7:13 PM, christian svanes kolding wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; it should also be added that NDA or no NDA, if you think someone s=
+tole<br>
+&gt;&gt; your idea, you'd better be serious about it and understand that, r=
+ight<br>
+&gt;&gt; or wrong, there will be consequences.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; no one in any of the creative industries likes to be accused of<br=
+>
+&gt;&gt; stealing. thus, i would imagine that in 99% of the cases, people w=
+ould<br>
+&gt;&gt; rather avoid having anything to do with someone who starts pointin=
+g<br>
+&gt;&gt; fingers - even if the accuser is justified.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; We have our ideas taken all the time after an NDA is signed, usually a=
+t<br>
+&gt; the request of the other party. It isn't worth pursuing. Bringing it u=
+p<br>
+&gt; means that relationship is over. You may ask, well, if they took your<=
+br>
+&gt; idea or part of it then why would you work with them again? To which I=
+<br>
+&gt; respond- they like your ideas and will probably fund one in the future=
+.<br>
+&gt; This has been my experience at least.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yes, I eye rolled at Hecker's comment, too. NDA signing douche bags un=
+ite!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
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+lc=3DX3oDMTM4cXRucWZoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
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+0lkAzIwNDg0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (24)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">1d. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20555;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzdW1mdTVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"1d">=20
+ Re: nda advice from frienda? </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Elizabeth G=
+oodman" <a href=3D"mailto:egoodman@confectious.net?Subject=3D Re%3A%20=
+nda%20advice%20from%20frienda%3F">
+ egoodman@confectious.net </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/esg224">
+ esg224=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 12:45&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ I get asked to sign NDAs all the time before people consent to be<br>
+interviewed for my (totally academic, not gonna be published for<br>
+a year) dissertation. I see it as essentially an ass-covering<br>
+move.<br>
+<br>
+On the one hand, I don't take them all that seriously. Because,<br>
+as Mike says, no one ever gets sued for breach of NDA.<br>
+Instead, the NDA for my interviewees is a way for mid-level<br>
+creatives to protect themselves against any kind of douchey<br>
+retaliation by their companies' legal departments. Or a way<br>
+for principals, partners, or C-level people to let me know<br>
+that they're personally okay with giving me sensitive<br>
+information about clients or vendors, but that it matters to<br>
+their companies. Because, really, there are two outcomes if I<br>
+violate the NDA: (1) no one will ever find out it was me,<br>
+because anything people are willing to tell me in a casual <br>
+interview is something that's already common knowledge among<br>
+tens, if not hundreds of other potentially indiscreet<br>
+blabbers or (2) I'll gain a reputation for being<br>
+untrustworthy and people will stop giving me sensitive info.<br>
+<br>
+On the other hand, I take them very seriously. NDAs are just a<br>
+way to confirm that you, the signer, are outside an<br>
+organizational boundary, and that you are getting privileged<br>
+access to something that would usually stay within that<br>
+boundary. Verbal or paper-based requests have about the same<br>
+level of importance in terms of signalling one's<br>
+expectations. You could argue (and I would, when I'm being<br>
+all academic) that it is the NDA that makes the <br>
+organizational boundary, not the other way around. So it's<br>
+important for me to know that the person I'm talking to wants<br>
+to erect some boundaries.<br>
+<br>
+But then, I'm not in the game industry. Or in marketing. Or in<br>
+entertainment. I do interactive product and service design and<br>
+strategy. As Mike suggests, different industries have really <br>
+different assumptions about the relationship between<br>
+organizations and information sharing. Some industries,<br>
+looking at the responses on this list, use NDAs (or &quot;keep a<br>
+secret&quot; language) to create stricter boundary lines than<br>
+others.<br>
+<br>
+Liz<br>
+<br>
+On 1/19/11 4:54 PM, Mike Kuniavsky wrote:<br>
+I'm of the opinion that if someone I'm talking to is<br>
+assuring me that<br>
+they're totally trustworthy, then they should put a ring<br>
+on it and sign<br>
+the NDA without blinking. An NDA isn't a patent. It's just<br>
+an agreement<br>
+that says that the signer won't reveal what you told them<br>
+to a potential<br>
+competitor. That's it. You can put a time limit on it, say<br>
+three months.<br>
+Anyone, in any industry, should be able to keep from<br>
+telling a competitor<br>
+about your idea for THREE MONTHS. If they can't, or can't<br>
+guarantee that,<br>
+then they're probably not someone you should be talking<br>
+to.<br>
+<br>
+Conversely, when someone says &quot;I can't tell you anything<br>
+about my<br>
+idea until you sign an NDA,&quot; I call bullshit on that, too.<br>
+You can tell me<br>
+something. You can tell me just about everything except<br>
+for what your<br>
+secret sauce is, and that'll get me close enough to <br>
+knowing whether I even<br>
+want to know what the secret sauce is.<br>
+<br>
+In either case, I say absolutes kill trust. They kill<br>
+trust when someone<br>
+says that they're not willing to meet you even an inch of<br>
+the way (aka<br>
+sign a simple NDA) and they kill when someone says that<br>
+they can't trust<br>
+you at all until they have an iron clad guarantee of<br>
+confidentiality<br>
+(which an NDA isn't, so that's bullshit, too).<br>
+<br>
+Finally, I have never heard of someone being sued for<br>
+breach of NDA. It's<br>
+just not important enough in the larger scheme of things.<br>
+It IS important,<br>
+however, as a small trust-building step at the right point<br>
+in a<br>
+discussion.<br>
+<br>
+On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Kim Pallister wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; VC's are in this camp too.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sent from my SpacePhone<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:46 PM, &quot;L. Souris <br>
+Hong-Porretta&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">so=
+uris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com</a><br>
+&lt;mailto:souris%<wbr>40hustlerofcultu<wbr>re.com&gt; &gt; w=
+rote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Depending on who you are talking to, they might not<br>
+sign an NDA at all. I know that when we had our<br>
+&gt; game studio, the publishers would not sign NDAs to<br>
+talk to us. This happens in a lot of creative<br>
+&gt; studios here in Hollywood too. I also know that at<br>
+EMV we NEVER or well, RARELY signed NDAs. Our job<br>
+&gt; is to listen to pitches ALL DAY LONG and I can tell<br>
+you that 99 out of 100 times we were being<br>
+&gt; pitched something that was related-to or an iteration<br>
+of something else we'd heard before. We didn't<br>
+&gt; sign NDAs as standard practice, bc we didn't need <br>
+TOM, DICK, or KYOUNG coming back to sue us if we<br>
+&gt; moved forward with one of the companies and they <br>
+decided we &quot;stole&quot; their idea. We also relied on our<br>
+&gt; reputations so it wasn't in our interest to tell <br>
+everyone about everything we ever heard.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Everybody knows I'm a fucking big mouth, but everyone<br>
+also knows, your abortion-serious-<wbr>secret is safe with<br>
+&gt; me.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It really depends on what the project is and whom <br>
+you're discussing it with.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My two cents.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; xosourisxo<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Jan 16, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Kyoung Kim wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hi frienda,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; was wondering in your practices, when do you think is<br>
+the &quot;right&quot; time to present an nda (in approaching<br>
+&gt; developers, contractors, investors, etc.).?<br>
+&gt; may seem like a dumb question, but well, you know.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; thanks,<br>
+&gt; kyoung<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ****<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; souris hong-porretta<br>
+&gt; 3101 5th street #5<br>
+&gt; santa monica, ca 90405<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 310.500.7870 mobile<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<w=
+br>ture.com</a><br>
+&lt;mailto:souris%<wbr>40hustlerofcultu<wbr>re.com&gt;<br>
+&gt; www.hustlerofcultur<wbr>e.com &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.hustlerofcultu=
+re.com">http://www.hustlero<wbr>fculture.<wbr>com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; @hustlerculture<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.com">tinyironfists@<wbr>gmail.=
+com</a> &lt;mailto:tinyironfis<wbr>ts%40gmail.<wbr>com&gt;<br>
+&gt; www.tinyironfists.<wbr>com &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.tinyironfists.com=
+">http://www.tinyiron<wbr>fists.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; @tinyironfists<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ****<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Mike Kuniavsky<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:mikek%40orangecone.com">mikek@orangecone.<wbr>com</a> &lt=
+;mailto:mikek%<wbr>40orangecone.<wbr>com&gt;<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
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+MTJzbTNpdmkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU1NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
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+lc=3DX3oDMTM4dGtycm51BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNDg0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (24)
+ </div> </dd>
+ </dl>
+ <dl >
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">2a. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20554;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzN2xnZXU1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"2a">=20
+ Re: summer intern - know anyone? </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Elizabeth G=
+oodman" <a href=3D"mailto:egoodman@confectious.net?Subject=3D Re%3A%20=
+summer%20intern%20-%20know%20anyone%3F">
+ egoodman@confectious.net </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/esg224">
+ esg224=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 12:12&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ I saw this job posting at Berkeley, actually. Are you going to be<br>
+actively working with the intern? If you are, I will forward it<br>
+around even more widely to students (like at CCA) who do great UX<br>
+work but aren't, ummm, the traditional Qualcomm hires.<br>
+<br>
+L.<br>
+<br>
+On 1/19/11 4:32 PM, jeeparksf wrote:<br>
+hi all,<br>
+<br>
+my company is hiring a summer intern and i thought this<br>
+group may know of some good peeps. it's user experience<br>
+focused. i've already sent it out to uc berkeley, <br>
+stanford, and iit, but pls forward it as you see fit.<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"https://jobs.qualcomm.com/public/jobDetails.xhtml?requisitionId=
+=3D1884530&amp;page=3DjobSearch">https://jobs.<wbr>qualcomm.<wbr>com/public=
+/<wbr>jobDetails.<wbr>xhtml?requisitio<wbr>nId=3D1\<br>
+884530&amp;page=3D<wbr>jobSearch</a><br>
+&lt;<a href=3D"https://jobs.qualcomm.com/public/jobDetails.xhtml?requisitio=
+nId=3D1884530&amp;page=3DjobSearch">https://jobs.<wbr>qualcomm.<wbr>com/pub=
+lic/<wbr>jobDetails.<wbr>xhtml?requisitio<wbr>nId=3D\<br>
+1884530&amp;page=3D<wbr>jobSearch</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+thanks,<br>
+jee<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
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+MTJzbW4yNzhzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU1NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
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+lc=3DX3oDMTM4aTFpbGdkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTQy" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (2)
+ </div> </dd>
+ </dl>
+ <dl >
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3a. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20556;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzcmFxZ2t0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3a">=20
+ Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Souris Hong=
+-Porretta" <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofculture.com?Subject=3D Re=
+%3A%20Apple%20Reboot">
+ souris@hustlerofculture.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/souris_hong">
+ souris_hong=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 3:02&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ While updating my GARMIN GPS software, my screen hazed over with a <=
+br>
+message that said, &quot;you have to reboot your computer by pressing down =
+ <br>
+the button for a couple of seconds&quot; or something like that...<br>
+<br>
+Anything I should be concerned about? I've NEVER seen this screen or <br>
+error message before (THANKS)!<br>
+<br>
+This is the error log that it sent to APPLE:<br>
+<br>
+Interval Since Last Panic Report: 41189704 sec<br>
+Panics Since Last Report: 1<br>
+Anonymous UUID: 804A117E-D4C2-<wbr>4184-A33D-<wbr>7E9EF1=
+90CE1D<br>
+<br>
+Thu Jan 20 14:57:23 2011<br>
+panic(cpu 1 caller 0x001AB0FE): Kernel trap at 0x56db29b6, type <br>
+14=3Dpage fault, registers:<br>
+CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x42dda000, CR3: 0x018fd000, CR4: 0x00000660<br>
+EAX: 0xffffffff, EBX: 0x0e06e880, ECX: 0x00000000, EDX: 0x0000effc<br>
+CR2: 0x42dda000, EBP: 0x56d4b8f8, ESI: 0x42dcb004, EDI: 0x00003bfe<br>
+EFL: 0x00010203, EIP: 0x56db29b6, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x00040010<br>
+Error code: 0x00000000<br>
+<br>
+Backtrace (CPU 1), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)<br>
+0x56d4b6d8 : 0x12b4c6 (0x45f91c 0x56d4b70c 0x13355c 0x0)<br>
+0x56d4b728 : 0x1ab0fe (0x469a98 0x56db29b6 0xe 0x469248)<br>
+0x56d4b808 : 0x1a1713 (0x56d4b820 0x246 0x56d4b8f8 0x56db29b6)<br>
+0x56d4b818 : 0x56db29b6 (0xe 0x48 0x10 0x10)<br>
+0x56d4b8f8 : 0x56db2bdc (0x0 0x56d4b92c 0x0 0x77fe0)<br>
+0x56d4b948 : 0x56db3444 (0xffffffff 0x56d4b98c 0x56d4b988 0x5272a8d0)<br>
+0x56d4b9a8 : 0x56db1281 (0xe06e880 0x80 0x56d4b9d8 0x1a9ad9)<br>
+0x56d4ba28 : 0x56db13eb (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+0x56d4ba98 : 0x56db711c (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+0x56d4bad8 : 0x1f536e (0x56d4bdac 0x56d4bb34 0x0 0x0)<br>
+0x56d4bdd8 : 0x1f7c65 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+0x56d4be38 : 0x1e7e83 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+0x56d4bf78 : 0x3e3a7f (0x6ebde90 0xe067dc0 0xe067e04 0xffffffff)<br>
+0x56d4bfc8 : 0x1a1c0a (0xd6d0f80 0x0 0x1a40b5 0xd6d0f80)<br>
+No mapping exists for frame pointer<br>
+Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0xb080b688<br>
+ Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies)<wbr>:<br>
+ com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs(<wbr>1.5.5)@0x56daf00<wbr>0-&g=
+t;0x56dbbfff<br>
+<br>
+BSD process name corresponding to current thread: mds<br>
+<br>
+Mac OS version:<br>
+9L31a<br>
+<br>
+Kernel version:<br>
+Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:55:01 PDT 2009; <br>
+root:xnu-1228.<wbr>15.4~1/RELEASE_<wbr>I386<br>
+System model name: MacBook5,1 (Mac-F42D89C8)<br>
+<br>
+System uptime in nanoseconds: 92031377355481<br>
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+3829<br>
+loaded kexts:<br>
+com.rim.driver.<wbr>BlackBerryUSBDri<wbr>verInt 0.0.52<br>
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+com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs 1.5.5<br>
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+com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothSeria<wbr>lManager 2.1.9f10<br>
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+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleEFINVRAM 1.2.0<br>
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+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleRTC 1.2.3<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHPET 1.4<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIPCI 1.2.5<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIButtons 1.2.5<br>
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+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIEC 1.2.5<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleAPIC 1.4<br>
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+com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBMassStorage<wbr>Class 2.0.8<br>
+com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSerialFamily 9.4<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBBluetoot<wbr>hHCIController 2.1.9f10<br>
+com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothFamil<wbr>y 2.1.9f10<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>DspFuncLib 1.7.1a2<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBusContro<wbr>ller 1.0.1d1<br>
+com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOHDAFamily 1.7.1a2<br>
+com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAudioFamily 1.6.9fc5<br>
+com.apple.kext.<wbr>OSvKernDSPLib 1.1<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>IOPlatformPlugin<wbr>Family 3.4.0a17<br>
+com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMC 2.3.1d1<br>
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+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
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+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3b. </dt=
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+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20557;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzdGNpbHQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3b">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Daniel Terd=
+iman" <a href=3D"mailto:daniel.terdiman@earthlink.net?Subject=3D Re%3A=
+%20Apple%20Reboot">
+ daniel.terdiman@earthlink.net </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/jschooldan">
+ jschooldan=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 3:10&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Assuming that you're all backed up, I wouldn't worry about it. <br>
+Occasionally, Macs will do the old bombshell crash. They usually recover.<b=
+r>
+<br>
+Once you're back up and running, you might want to consider repairing <br>
+disk permissions (that's always a good thing to do, anyway). You do that <b=
+r>
+by going into your Applications folder, then choosing Utilities, then <br>
+choosing Disk Utility, and then Repair permissions.<br>
+<br>
+I think you'll be fine. Hopefully, you're properly backed up.<br>
+<br>
+Daniel<br>
+<br>
+On 1/20/11 3:02 PM, Souris Hong-Porretta wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; While updating my GARMIN GPS software, my screen hazed over with a<br>
+&gt; message that said, &quot;you have to reboot your computer by pressing =
+down<br>
+&gt; the button for a couple of seconds&quot; or something like that...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anything I should be concerned about? I've NEVER seen this screen or<b=
+r>
+&gt; error message before (THANKS)!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is the error log that it sent to APPLE:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Interval Since Last Panic Report: 41189704 sec<br>
+&gt; Panics Since Last Report: 1<br>
+&gt; Anonymous UUID: 804A117E-D4C2-<wbr>4184-A33D-<wbr>7E9EF190CE1D<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thu Jan 20 14:57:23 2011<br>
+&gt; panic(cpu 1 caller 0x001AB0FE): Kernel trap at 0x56db29b6, type<br>
+&gt; 14=3Dpage fault, registers:<br>
+&gt; CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x42dda000, CR3: 0x018fd000, CR4: 0x00000660<br>
+&gt; EAX: 0xffffffff, EBX: 0x0e06e880, ECX: 0x00000000, EDX: 0x0000effc<br>
+&gt; CR2: 0x42dda000, EBP: 0x56d4b8f8, ESI: 0x42dcb004, EDI: 0x00003bfe<br>
+&gt; EFL: 0x00010203, EIP: 0x56db29b6, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x00040010<br>
+&gt; Error code: 0x00000000<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Backtrace (CPU 1), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)<=
+br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b6d8 : 0x12b4c6 (0x45f91c 0x56d4b70c 0x13355c 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b728 : 0x1ab0fe (0x469a98 0x56db29b6 0xe 0x469248)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b808 : 0x1a1713 (0x56d4b820 0x246 0x56d4b8f8 0x56db29b6)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b818 : 0x56db29b6 (0xe 0x48 0x10 0x10)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b8f8 : 0x56db2bdc (0x0 0x56d4b92c 0x0 0x77fe0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b948 : 0x56db3444 (0xffffffff 0x56d4b98c 0x56d4b988 0x5272a8d0)<=
+br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b9a8 : 0x56db1281 (0xe06e880 0x80 0x56d4b9d8 0x1a9ad9)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4ba28 : 0x56db13eb (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4ba98 : 0x56db711c (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bad8 : 0x1f536e (0x56d4bdac 0x56d4bb34 0x0 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bdd8 : 0x1f7c65 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4be38 : 0x1e7e83 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bf78 : 0x3e3a7f (0x6ebde90 0xe067dc0 0xe067e04 0xffffffff)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bfc8 : 0x1a1c0a (0xd6d0f80 0x0 0x1a40b5 0xd6d0f80)<br>
+&gt; No mapping exists for frame pointer<br>
+&gt; Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0xb080b688<br>
+&gt; Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies)<wbr>:<br>
+&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs(<wbr>1.5.5)@0x56daf00<wbr>0-&gt;0x5=
+6dbbfff<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; BSD process name corresponding to current thread: mds<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mac OS version:<br>
+&gt; 9L31a<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Kernel version:<br>
+&gt; Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:55:01 PDT 2009;<br>
+&gt; root:xnu-1228.<wbr>15.4~1/RELEASE_<wbr>I386<br>
+&gt; System model name: MacBook5,1 (Mac-F42D89C8)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; System uptime in nanoseconds: 92031377355481<br>
+&gt; unloaded kexts:<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>iTunesPhoneDrive<wbr>r 1.0 - last unloaded 92003=
+265393829<br>
+&gt; loaded kexts:<br>
+&gt; com.rim.driver.<wbr>BlackBerryUSBDri<wbr>verInt 0.0.52<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>iTunesPhoneDrive<wbr>r 1.0 - last loaded 9193394=
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+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>IOBluetoothHIDDr<wbr>iver 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs 1.5.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHWSensor 1.9d0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothSeria<wbr>lManager 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.autofs 2.0.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>BroadcomUSBBluet<wbr>oothHCIControlle<wbr>r 2.1.=
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+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleMikeyHIDDri<wbr>ver 1.0.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUpstreamUse<wbr>rClient 2.7.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHDA 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleMikeyDriver 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHDAControll<wbr>er 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AGPM 100.8.7<br>
+&gt; com.apple.Dont_<wbr>Steal_Mac_<wbr>OS_X 6.0.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>SMCMotionSensor 2.1.1d2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleIRControlle<wbr>r 113<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AudioIPCDriver 1.0.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.kext.<wbr>AppleSMCLMU 1.4.5d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.GeForce 5.4.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>ACPI_SMC_<wbr>PlatformPlugin 3.4.0a17<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>NVSMU 1.1.7<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBusPCI 1.0.1d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleLPC 1.3.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleBacklight 1.6.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.nvidia.<wbr>nv50hal 5.4.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBTCButton<wbr>s 1.7.4f1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBMultitou<wbr>ch 189.35<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBTCKeyboa<wbr>rd 1.7.4f1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBMergeNub 3.5.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>XsanFilter 2.7.91<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIMultimedia<wbr>CommandsDevice 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>SCSITaskUserClie<wbr>nt 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCISerialATAP<wbr>I 1.1.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCIBlockStora<wbr>ge 1.2.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AirPortBrcm43xx 366.91.21<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleAHCIPort 1.7.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.nvenet 1.0.54<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBOHCI 3.4.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBHub 3.4.9<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBUserClient 3.5.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBEHCI 3.4.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleEFINVRAM 1.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSmartBatter<wbr>yManager 158.10.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleRTC 1.2.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHPET 1.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIPCI 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIButtons 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBIOS 1.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIEC 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleAPIC 1.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.security.<wbr>seatbelt 107.12<br>
+&gt; com.apple.nke.<wbr>applicationfirew<wbr>all 1.8.77<br>
+&gt; com.apple.security.<wbr>TMSafetyNet 3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleIntelCPUPow<wbr>erManagement 76.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>DiskImages 199<br>
+&gt; com.apple.BootCache 30.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBMassStorage<wbr>Class 2.0.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSerialFamily 9.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBBluetoot<wbr>hHCIController 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothFamil<wbr>y 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>DspFuncLib 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBusContro<wbr>ller 1.0.1d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOHDAFamily 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAudioFamily 1.6.9fc5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.kext.<wbr>OSvKernDSPLib 1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>IOPlatformPlugin<wbr>Family 3.4.0a17<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMC 2.3.1d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.NVDAResma<wbr>n 5.4.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IONDRVSupport 1.7.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOGraphicsFamily 1.7.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBHIDDriver 3.4.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBComposit<wbr>e 3.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIBlockComma<wbr>ndsDevice 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBDStorageFamil<wbr>y 1.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IODVDStorageFami<wbr>ly 1.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOCDStorageFamil<wbr>y 1.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIArchitectu<wbr>reModelFamily 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IO80211Family 216.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCIFamily 1.5.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IONetworkingFami<wbr>ly 1.6.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBFamily 3.5.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleEFIRuntime 1.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSMBusFamily 1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOStorageFamily 1.5.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOHIDFamily 1.5.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIPlatfor<wbr>m 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOPCIFamily 2.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOACPIFamily 1.2.0<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <br>
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+>
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+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20558;_ylc=
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+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3c">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Wiley Wiggi=
+ns" <a href=3D"mailto:weevil@wileywiggins.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20Apple=
+%20Reboot">
+ weevil@wileywiggins.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/wiley_wiggins">
+ wiley_wiggins=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 3:21&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ You had a Kernel Panic. It can be caused by hardware or by the System=
+, but rarely by an App. <br>
+Disk permissions resets are meaningless unless you are having an actual per=
+missions issue. Same with the voodoo 'Pram Zap'.<br>
+Either run -fsck n your drive in single user mode, or boot from your OS dis=
+c and run the actual disc repair, which looks at the file structure.<br>
+Unless it happens again you are probably fine.<br>
+<br>
+(Sorry, Ex Applecare agent).<br>
+<br>
+On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Daniel Terdiman wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Assuming that you're all backed up, I wouldn't worry about it. Occasio=
+nally, Macs will do the old bombshell crash. They usually recover.<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Once you're back up and running, you might want to consider repairing =
+disk permissions (that's always a good thing to do, anyway). You do that by=
+ going into your Applications folder, then choosing Utilities, then choosin=
+g Disk Utility, and then Repair permissions. <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; I think you'll be fine. Hopefully, you're properly backed up.<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Daniel<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; On 1/20/11 3:02 PM, Souris Hong-Porretta wrote:<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; While updating my GARMIN GPS software, my screen hazed over with a=
+ <br>
+&gt;&gt; message that said, &quot;you have to reboot your computer by press=
+ing down <br>
+&gt;&gt; the button for a couple of seconds&quot; or something like that...=
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Anything I should be concerned about? I've NEVER seen this screen =
+or <br>
+&gt;&gt; error message before (THANKS)!<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; This is the error log that it sent to APPLE:<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Interval Since Last Panic Report: 41189704 sec<br>
+&gt;&gt; Panics Since Last Report: 1<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anonymous UUID: 804A117E-D4C2-<wbr>4184-A33D-<wbr>7E9EF190CE1D<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Thu Jan 20 14:57:23 2011<br>
+&gt;&gt; panic(cpu 1 caller 0x001AB0FE): Kernel trap at 0x56db29b6, type <b=
+r>
+&gt;&gt; 14=3Dpage fault, registers:<br>
+&gt;&gt; CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x42dda000, CR3: 0x018fd000, CR4: 0x00000660=
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; EAX: 0xffffffff, EBX: 0x0e06e880, ECX: 0x00000000, EDX: 0x0000effc=
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; CR2: 0x42dda000, EBP: 0x56d4b8f8, ESI: 0x42dcb004, EDI: 0x00003bfe=
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; EFL: 0x00010203, EIP: 0x56db29b6, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x00040010<b=
+r>
+&gt;&gt; Error code: 0x00000000<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Backtrace (CPU 1), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on sta=
+ck)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4b6d8 : 0x12b4c6 (0x45f91c 0x56d4b70c 0x13355c 0x0)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4b728 : 0x1ab0fe (0x469a98 0x56db29b6 0xe 0x469248)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4b808 : 0x1a1713 (0x56d4b820 0x246 0x56d4b8f8 0x56db29b6)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4b818 : 0x56db29b6 (0xe 0x48 0x10 0x10)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4b8f8 : 0x56db2bdc (0x0 0x56d4b92c 0x0 0x77fe0)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4b948 : 0x56db3444 (0xffffffff 0x56d4b98c 0x56d4b988 0x5272a8=
+d0)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4b9a8 : 0x56db1281 (0xe06e880 0x80 0x56d4b9d8 0x1a9ad9)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4ba28 : 0x56db13eb (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4ba98 : 0x56db711c (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4bad8 : 0x1f536e (0x56d4bdac 0x56d4bb34 0x0 0x0)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4bdd8 : 0x1f7c65 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4be38 : 0x1e7e83 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4bf78 : 0x3e3a7f (0x6ebde90 0xe067dc0 0xe067e04 0xffffffff)<b=
+r>
+&gt;&gt; 0x56d4bfc8 : 0x1a1c0a (0xd6d0f80 0x0 0x1a40b5 0xd6d0f80)<br>
+&gt;&gt; No mapping exists for frame pointer<br>
+&gt;&gt; Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0xb080b688<br>
+&gt;&gt; Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies)<wbr>:<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs(<wbr>1.5.5)@0x56daf00<wbr>0-&gt=
+;0x56dbbfff<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; BSD process name corresponding to current thread: mds<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Mac OS version:<br>
+&gt;&gt; 9L31a<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Kernel version:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:55:01 PDT 2009; <br>
+&gt;&gt; root:xnu-1228.<wbr>15.4~1/RELEASE_<wbr>I386<br>
+&gt;&gt; System model name: MacBook5,1 (Mac-F42D89C8)<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; System uptime in nanoseconds: 92031377355481<br>
+&gt;&gt; unloaded kexts:<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>iTunesPhoneDrive<wbr>r 1.0 - last unloaded 9=
+2003265393829<br>
+&gt;&gt; loaded kexts:<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.rim.driver.<wbr>BlackBerryUSBDri<wbr>verInt 0.0.52<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>iTunesPhoneDrive<wbr>r 1.0 - last loaded 919=
+33949995842<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>IOBluetoothHIDDr<wbr>iver 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs 1.5.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHWSensor 1.9d0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothSeria<wbr>lManager 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.autofs 2.0.2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>BroadcomUSBBluet<wbr>oothHCIControlle<wbr>r =
+2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleMikeyHIDDri<wbr>ver 1.0.6<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUpstreamUse<wbr>rClient 2.7.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHDA 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleMikeyDriver 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHDAControll<wbr>er 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AGPM 100.8.7<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.Dont_<wbr>Steal_Mac_<wbr>OS_X 6.0.3<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>SMCMotionSensor 2.1.1d2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleIRControlle<wbr>r 113<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AudioIPCDriver 1.0.6<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.kext.<wbr>AppleSMCLMU 1.4.5d1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.GeForce 5.4.8<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>ACPI_SMC_<wbr>PlatformPlugin 3.4.0a17<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>NVSMU 1.1.7<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBusPCI 1.0.1d1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleLPC 1.3.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleBacklight 1.6.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.nvidia.<wbr>nv50hal 5.4.8<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBTCButton<wbr>s 1.7.4f1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBMultitou<wbr>ch 189.35<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBTCKeyboa<wbr>rd 1.7.4f1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBMergeNub 3.5.2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>XsanFilter 2.7.91<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIMultimedia<wbr>CommandsDevice 2.1.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>SCSITaskUserClie<wbr>nt 2.1.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCISerialATAP<wbr>I 1.1.2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCIBlockStora<wbr>ge 1.2.3<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AirPortBrcm43xx 366.91.21<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleAHCIPort 1.7.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.nvenet 1.0.54<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBOHCI 3.4.6<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBHub 3.4.9<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBUserClient 3.5.2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBEHCI 3.4.6<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleEFINVRAM 1.2.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSmartBatter<wbr>yManager 158.10.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleRTC 1.2.3<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHPET 1.4<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIPCI 1.2.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIButtons 1.2.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBIOS 1.4<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIEC 1.2.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleAPIC 1.4<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.security.<wbr>seatbelt 107.12<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.nke.<wbr>applicationfirew<wbr>all 1.8.77<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.security.<wbr>TMSafetyNet 3<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleIntelCPUPow<wbr>erManagement 76.2.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>DiskImages 199<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.BootCache 30.4<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBMassStorage<wbr>Class 2.0.8<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSerialFamily 9.4<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBBluetoot<wbr>hHCIController 2.1.9f10=
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothFamil<wbr>y 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>DspFuncLib 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBusContro<wbr>ller 1.0.1d1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOHDAFamily 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAudioFamily 1.6.9fc5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.kext.<wbr>OSvKernDSPLib 1.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>IOPlatformPlugin<wbr>Family 3.4.0a17<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMC 2.3.1d1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.NVDAResma<wbr>n 5.4.8<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IONDRVSupport 1.7.3<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOGraphicsFamily 1.7.3<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBHIDDriver 3.4.6<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBComposit<wbr>e 3.2.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIBlockComma<wbr>ndsDevice 2.1.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBDStorageFamil<wbr>y 1.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IODVDStorageFami<wbr>ly 1.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOCDStorageFamil<wbr>y 1.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIArchitectu<wbr>reModelFamily 2.1.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IO80211Family 216.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCIFamily 1.5.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IONetworkingFami<wbr>ly 1.6.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBFamily 3.5.2<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleEFIRuntime 1.2.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSMBusFamily 1.1<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOStorageFamily 1.5.6<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOHIDFamily 1.5.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIPlatfor<wbr>m 1.2.5<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOPCIFamily 2.6<br>
+&gt;&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOACPIFamily 1.2.0<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+<br>
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+lc=3DX3oDMTM4dm5sOGh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
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+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (9)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3d. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20559;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzM2xrbWdwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3d">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Wiley Wiggi=
+ns" <a href=3D"mailto:weevil@wileywiggins.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20Apple=
+%20Reboot">
+ weevil@wileywiggins.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/wiley_wiggins">
+ wiley_wiggins=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 3:23&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ How to run disc repair:<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1782">http://support.<wbr>apple.co=
+m/<wbr>kb/HT1782</a><br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
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+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
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+e%20Reboot" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
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+/span>
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+MTJzNzlxZHBmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
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+lc=3DX3oDMTM4M2VoMGx0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU1OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTU2" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (9)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3e. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20560;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzMjFzN25yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3e">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Wiley Wiggi=
+ns" <a href=3D"mailto:weevil@wileywiggins.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20Apple=
+%20Reboot">
+ weevil@wileywiggins.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/wiley_wiggins">
+ wiley_wiggins=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 3:24&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Sorry, I meant this one:<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1417">http://support.<wbr>apple.co=
+m/<wbr>kb/TS1417</a><br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
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+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
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+MTJzN2hiNjQyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
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+lc=3DX3oDMTM4M2VpMmIyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTU2" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (9)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3f. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20561;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzYTRhaDg3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3f">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Rama Gottfr=
+ied" <a href=3D"mailto:rama.gottfried@gmail.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20App=
+le%20Reboot">
+ rama.gottfried@gmail.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/ramagottfried">
+ ramagottfried=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 3:25&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ that's a kernel panic - i've been seeing that regularly working with =
+the adruino FTDI drivers in maxMSP. I wouldn't worry too much about it unl=
+ess you had some unsaved important documents open.<br>
+<br>
+I think this is cause by some miscommunication between the USB port and the=
+ other device. If it happens every time you try to update your GPS softwar=
+e - try switching the USB port you're using... but yeah, it sucks - and is =
+likely due to an iffy USB driver that Garmin is using (like the iffy FTDI d=
+rivers that arduino uses(used)).<br>
+<br>
+On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Souris Hong-Porretta wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; While updating my GARMIN GPS software, my screen hazed over with a <br=
+>
+&gt; message that said, &quot;you have to reboot your computer by pressing =
+down <br>
+&gt; the button for a couple of seconds&quot; or something like that...<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Anything I should be concerned about? I've NEVER seen this screen or <=
+br>
+&gt; error message before (THANKS)!<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; This is the error log that it sent to APPLE:<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Interval Since Last Panic Report: 41189704 sec<br>
+&gt; Panics Since Last Report: 1<br>
+&gt; Anonymous UUID: 804A117E-D4C2-<wbr>4184-A33D-<wbr>7E9EF190CE1D<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Thu Jan 20 14:57:23 2011<br>
+&gt; panic(cpu 1 caller 0x001AB0FE): Kernel trap at 0x56db29b6, type <br>
+&gt; 14=3Dpage fault, registers:<br>
+&gt; CR0: 0x8001003b, CR2: 0x42dda000, CR3: 0x018fd000, CR4: 0x00000660<br>
+&gt; EAX: 0xffffffff, EBX: 0x0e06e880, ECX: 0x00000000, EDX: 0x0000effc<br>
+&gt; CR2: 0x42dda000, EBP: 0x56d4b8f8, ESI: 0x42dcb004, EDI: 0x00003bfe<br>
+&gt; EFL: 0x00010203, EIP: 0x56db29b6, CS: 0x00000008, DS: 0x00040010<br>
+&gt; Error code: 0x00000000<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Backtrace (CPU 1), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)<=
+br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b6d8 : 0x12b4c6 (0x45f91c 0x56d4b70c 0x13355c 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b728 : 0x1ab0fe (0x469a98 0x56db29b6 0xe 0x469248)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b808 : 0x1a1713 (0x56d4b820 0x246 0x56d4b8f8 0x56db29b6)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b818 : 0x56db29b6 (0xe 0x48 0x10 0x10)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b8f8 : 0x56db2bdc (0x0 0x56d4b92c 0x0 0x77fe0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b948 : 0x56db3444 (0xffffffff 0x56d4b98c 0x56d4b988 0x5272a8d0)<=
+br>
+&gt; 0x56d4b9a8 : 0x56db1281 (0xe06e880 0x80 0x56d4b9d8 0x1a9ad9)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4ba28 : 0x56db13eb (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4ba98 : 0x56db711c (0xe06e880 0x100000 0x0 0xe067ec4)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bad8 : 0x1f536e (0x56d4bdac 0x56d4bb34 0x0 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bdd8 : 0x1f7c65 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4be38 : 0x1e7e83 (0x78b3a30 0x56d4be78 0xe067ec4 0x0)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bf78 : 0x3e3a7f (0x6ebde90 0xe067dc0 0xe067e04 0xffffffff)<br>
+&gt; 0x56d4bfc8 : 0x1a1c0a (0xd6d0f80 0x0 0x1a40b5 0xd6d0f80)<br>
+&gt; No mapping exists for frame pointer<br>
+&gt; Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0xb080b688<br>
+&gt; Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies)<wbr>:<br>
+&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs(<wbr>1.5.5)@0x56daf00<wbr>0-&gt;0x5=
+6dbbfff<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; BSD process name corresponding to current thread: mds<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Mac OS version:<br>
+&gt; 9L31a<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Kernel version:<br>
+&gt; Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:55:01 PDT 2009; <br>
+&gt; root:xnu-1228.<wbr>15.4~1/RELEASE_<wbr>I386<br>
+&gt; System model name: MacBook5,1 (Mac-F42D89C8)<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; System uptime in nanoseconds: 92031377355481<br>
+&gt; unloaded kexts:<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>iTunesPhoneDrive<wbr>r 1.0 - last unloaded 92003=
+265393829<br>
+&gt; loaded kexts:<br>
+&gt; com.rim.driver.<wbr>BlackBerryUSBDri<wbr>verInt 0.0.52<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>iTunesPhoneDrive<wbr>r 1.0 - last loaded 9193394=
+9995842<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>IOBluetoothHIDDr<wbr>iver 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.msdosfs 1.5.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHWSensor 1.9d0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothSeria<wbr>lManager 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.filesyste<wbr>ms.autofs 2.0.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>BroadcomUSBBluet<wbr>oothHCIControlle<wbr>r 2.1.=
+9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleMikeyHIDDri<wbr>ver 1.0.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUpstreamUse<wbr>rClient 2.7.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHDA 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleMikeyDriver 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHDAControll<wbr>er 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AGPM 100.8.7<br>
+&gt; com.apple.Dont_<wbr>Steal_Mac_<wbr>OS_X 6.0.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>SMCMotionSensor 2.1.1d2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleIRControlle<wbr>r 113<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AudioIPCDriver 1.0.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.kext.<wbr>AppleSMCLMU 1.4.5d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.GeForce 5.4.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>ACPI_SMC_<wbr>PlatformPlugin 3.4.0a17<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>NVSMU 1.1.7<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBusPCI 1.0.1d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleLPC 1.3.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleBacklight 1.6.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.nvidia.<wbr>nv50hal 5.4.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBTCButton<wbr>s 1.7.4f1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBMultitou<wbr>ch 189.35<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBTCKeyboa<wbr>rd 1.7.4f1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBMergeNub 3.5.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>XsanFilter 2.7.91<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIMultimedia<wbr>CommandsDevice 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>SCSITaskUserClie<wbr>nt 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCISerialATAP<wbr>I 1.1.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCIBlockStora<wbr>ge 1.2.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AirPortBrcm43xx 366.91.21<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleAHCIPort 1.7.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.nvenet 1.0.54<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBOHCI 3.4.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBHub 3.4.9<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBUserClient 3.5.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBEHCI 3.4.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleEFINVRAM 1.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSmartBatter<wbr>yManager 158.10.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleRTC 1.2.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleHPET 1.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIPCI 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIButtons 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBIOS 1.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIEC 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleAPIC 1.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.security.<wbr>seatbelt 107.12<br>
+&gt; com.apple.nke.<wbr>applicationfirew<wbr>all 1.8.77<br>
+&gt; com.apple.security.<wbr>TMSafetyNet 3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleIntelCPUPow<wbr>erManagement 76.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>DiskImages 199<br>
+&gt; com.apple.BootCache 30.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBMassStorage<wbr>Class 2.0.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSerialFamily 9.4<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBBluetoot<wbr>hHCIController 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBluetoothFamil<wbr>y 2.1.9f10<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>DspFuncLib 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMBusContro<wbr>ller 1.0.1d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOHDAFamily 1.7.1a2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAudioFamily 1.6.9fc5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.kext.<wbr>OSvKernDSPLib 1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>IOPlatformPlugin<wbr>Family 3.4.0a17<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleSMC 2.3.1d1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.NVDAResma<wbr>n 5.4.8<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IONDRVSupport 1.7.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOGraphicsFamily 1.7.3<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBHIDDriver 3.4.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleUSBComposit<wbr>e 3.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIBlockComma<wbr>ndsDevice 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOBDStorageFamil<wbr>y 1.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IODVDStorageFami<wbr>ly 1.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOCDStorageFamil<wbr>y 1.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSCSIArchitectu<wbr>reModelFamily 2.1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IO80211Family 216.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOAHCIFamily 1.5.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IONetworkingFami<wbr>ly 1.6.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOUSBFamily 3.5.2<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleEFIRuntime 1.2.0<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOSMBusFamily 1.1<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOStorageFamily 1.5.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOHIDFamily 1.5.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.driver.<wbr>AppleACPIPlatfor<wbr>m 1.2.5<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOPCIFamily 2.6<br>
+&gt; com.apple.iokit.<wbr>IOACPIFamily 1.2.0<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
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+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3g. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20562;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzbGticjZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3g">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Wiley Wiggi=
+ns" <a href=3D"mailto:weevil@wileywiggins.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20Apple=
+%20Reboot">
+ weevil@wileywiggins.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/wiley_wiggins">
+ wiley_wiggins=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 3:27&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Oh god, FTDI. I actually had a kernel panic once too trying to work w=
+ith a DMX to USB converter for controlling stage lights that used FTDI. I'm=
+ glad Arduino is getting away from it. <br>
+<br>
+&gt; I think this is cause by some miscommunication between the USB port an=
+d the other device. If it happens every time you try to update your GPS so=
+ftware - try switching the USB port you're using... but yeah, it sucks - an=
+d is likely due to an iffy USB driver that Garmin is using (like the iffy F=
+TDI drivers that arduino uses(used)).<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:weevil@wileywiggins.=
+com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20Apple%20Reboot" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20Appl=
+e%20Reboot" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzNDhvM2RnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20562" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20556;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4dHMwYjR0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTU2" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (9)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3h. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20563;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzOGRtMHY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3h">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "L. Souris H=
+ong-Porretta" <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofculture.com?Subject=3D=
+ Re%3A%20Apple%20Reboot">
+ souris@hustlerofculture.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/souris_hong">
+ souris_hong=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 4:21&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Thanks SO MUCH, dudes.<br>
+<br>
+D, I followed your instructions and everything looks OK. THANK YOU for <br=
+>
+spelling it all out, cause I'm a fucking numbnut these days and can't <br>
+find shit anywhere on this Apple computer (like find your so-and-so- <br>
+utility-so-and-<wbr>so).<br>
+<br>
+I have everything backed up on two external hard drives now (thanks <br>
+Julian, Neb, and DJ)! That said, I didn't lose any work.<br>
+<br>
+THANKS, again.<br>
+<br>
+xosourisxo<br>
+<br>
+On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Wiley Wiggins wrote:<br>
+<br>
+Oh god, FTDI. I actually had a kernel panic once too trying to work <br>
+with a DMX to USB converter for controlling stage lights that used <br>
+FTDI. I'm glad Arduino is getting away from it.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I think this is cause by some miscommunication between the USB port <=
+br>
+&gt; and the other device. If it happens every time you try to update <br=
+>
+&gt; your GPS software - try switching the USB port you're using... but <b=
+r>
+&gt; yeah, it sucks - and is likely due to an iffy USB driver that Garmin =
+<br>
+&gt; is using (like the iffy FTDI drivers that arduino uses(used)).<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+<br>
+souris hong-porretta<br>
+3101 5th street #5<br>
+santa monica, ca 90405<br>
+<br>
+310.500.7870 mobile<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>tu=
+re.com</a><br>
+www.hustlerofcultur<wbr>e.com<br>
+@hustlerculture<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.com">tinyironfists@<wbr>gmail.com</=
+a><br>
+www.tinyironfists.<wbr>com<br>
+@tinyironfists<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofcult=
+ure.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20Apple%20Reboot" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20Appl=
+e%20Reboot" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzOGpicjM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20563" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
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+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20556;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4MjZnbnJjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTU2" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (9)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">3i. </dt=
+>
+ <dd class=3D"last" style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20567;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzazlrc2FhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"3i">=20
+ Re: Apple Reboot </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Daniel Terd=
+iman" <a href=3D"mailto:daniel.terdiman@earthlink.net?Subject=3D Re%3A=
+%20Apple%20Reboot">
+ daniel.terdiman@earthlink.net </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/jschooldan">
+ jschooldan=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 4:35&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ As Wiley pointed out, the repair disk permissions thing almost certai=
+nly <br>
+didn't help with this particular situation. But it's always good to run <br=
+>
+that once in awhile anyway.<br>
+<br>
+Glad things are looking better now.<br>
+<br>
+D<br>
+<br>
+On 1/20/11 4:21 PM, L. Souris Hong-Porretta wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks SO MUCH, dudes.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; D, I followed your instructions and everything looks OK. THANK YOU for=
+ <br>
+&gt; spelling it all out, cause I'm a fucking numbnut these days and can't =
+<br>
+&gt; find shit anywhere on this Apple computer (like find your <br>
+&gt; so-and-so-utility-<wbr>so-and-so)<wbr>.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have everything backed up on two external hard drives now (thanks <b=
+r>
+&gt; Julian, Neb, and DJ)! That said, I didn't lose any work.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; THANKS, again.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; xosourisxo<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Wiley Wiggins wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Oh god, FTDI. I actually had a kernel panic once too trying to work <b=
+r>
+&gt; with a DMX to USB converter for controlling stage lights that used <br=
+>
+&gt; FTDI. I'm glad Arduino is getting away from it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I think this is cause by some miscommunication between the USB por=
+t <br>
+&gt;&gt; and the other device. If it happens every time you try to update =
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; your GPS software - try switching the USB port you're using... but=
+ <br>
+&gt;&gt; yeah, it sucks - and is likely due to an iffy USB driver that Garm=
+in <br>
+&gt;&gt; is using (like the iffy FTDI drivers that arduino uses(used)).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ****<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; souris hong-porretta<br>
+&gt; 3101 5th street #5<br>
+&gt; santa monica, ca 90405<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 310.500.7870 mobile<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<w=
+br>ture.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com"=
+>souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; www.hustlerofcultur<wbr>e.com &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.hustlerofcultu=
+re.com">http://www.hustlero<wbr>fculture.<wbr>com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; @hustlerculture<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.com">tinyironfists@<wbr>gmail.=
+com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.com">tinyironfis=
+ts@<wbr>gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; www.tinyironfists.<wbr>com &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.tinyironfists.com=
+">http://www.tinyiron<wbr>fists.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; @tinyironfists<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ****<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:daniel.terdiman@eart=
+hlink.net?Subject=3DRe%3A%20Apple%20Reboot" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;"=
+>
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20Appl=
+e%20Reboot" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzMnIxbXRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20567" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
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+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20556;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4bWRnNDdvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTU2" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (9)
+ </div> </dd>
+ </dl>
+ <dl >
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4a. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzZDdycmlyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4a">=20
+ APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Souris Hong=
+-Porretta" <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofculture.com?Subject=3D Re=
+%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS">
+ souris@hustlerofculture.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/souris_hong">
+ souris_hong=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 4:26&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Welcome to 2007, my friends!<br>
+<br>
+DANIEL TERDIMAN has loaned me his spare 32GB iTouch and I want to <br>
+check out everything you guys have been raving about. EXCEPT THAT, <br>
+when I went to access the frieNDA files, there was NO SUCH file for <br>
+APPLE APPS, as many times as I know others have inquired about it. <br>
+Normally, I'd go through ALL MY FRIENDA EMAIL and search and find the <br>
+answers, but with the recent crash of the server I was hosted on, I <br>
+ended up losing thousands of my emails (I also deleted my apple <br>
+account not knowing it would wipe out my mail messages so this really <br>
+screwed up my back up / rebooting process). BLAH BLAH BLAH.<br>
+<br>
+WHO, I said... WHO on this board has asked for the apps before? Can <br>
+you send me the suggested list and I'll add it to a master file in the <br=
+>
+MISCELLANEOUS folder.<br>
+<br>
+Also, Wiley's DEFENSE OF THE IPAD is the sole entry to the GOAT <br>
+(greatest of all time frieNDA posts). Is it true that we only have ONE <br=
+>
+POST that qualifies for GOAT status?!<br>
+<br>
+THANKS in advance!<br>
+<br>
+xosourisxo<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+<br>
+souris hong-porretta<br>
+3101 5th street #5<br>
+santa monica, ca 90405<br>
+<br>
+310.500.7870 mobile<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>tu=
+re.com</a><br>
+www.hustlerofcultur<wbr>e.com<br>
+@hustlerculture<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.com">tinyironfists@<wbr>gmail.com</=
+a><br>
+www.tinyironfists.<wbr>com<br>
+@tinyironfists<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
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+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofcult=
+ure.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bott=
+om: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
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+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
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+MTJzY2djMzg5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
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+lc=3DX3oDMTM4bm4wbDIzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4b. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20565;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzNzlrYmdkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4b">=20
+ Re: APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Jeannette H=
+arshbarger" <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com?Subject=3D Re%3=
+A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS">
+ jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/jeannetteagogo">
+ jeannetteagogo=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 4:31&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Didn't DavidJ or Juster or cHecker nominate themself for the GOAT fol=
+der?=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Souris Hong-Porretta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hu=
+stlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+From: Souris Hong-Porretta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.=
+com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: [frieNDA] APPLE APPS and GOATS<br>
+To: <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA%40yahoogroups.com">frieNDA@yahoogroups<wbr>.c=
+om</a><br>
+Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:26 PM<br>
+<br>
+=C2=A0<br>
+<br>
+Welcome to 2007, my friends!<br>
+DANIEL TERDIMAN has loaned me his spare 32GB iTouch and I want to check out=
+ everything you guys have been raving about. EXCEPT THAT, when I went to ac=
+cess the frieNDA files, there was NO SUCH file for APPLE APPS, as many time=
+s as I know others have inquired about it. Normally, I'd go through ALL MY =
+FRIENDA EMAIL and search and find the answers, but with the recent crash of=
+ the server I was hosted on, I ended up losing thousands of my emails (I al=
+so deleted my apple account not knowing it would wipe out my mail messages =
+so this really screwed up my back up / rebooting process). BLAH BLAH BLAH.<=
+br>
+WHO, I said... WHO on this board has asked for the apps before? Can you sen=
+d me the suggested list and I'll add it to a master file in the MISCELLANEO=
+US folder.<br>
+Also, Wiley's DEFENSE OF THE IPAD is the sole entry to the GOAT (greatest o=
+f all time frieNDA posts). Is it true that we only have ONE POST that quali=
+fies for GOAT status?!<br>
+THANKS in advance!<br>
+xosourisxo<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+souris hong-porretta3101 5th street #5=C2=A0santa monica, ca 90405<br>
+310.500.7870 mobile<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.comwww.hustlerofculture.com">so=
+uris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.comwww.<wbr>hustlerofculture<wbr>.com</a>@hustle=
+rculture<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.comwww.tinyironfists.com">tinyironf=
+ists@<wbr>gmail.comwww.<wbr>tinyironfists.<wbr>com</a>@tinyironfists<br>
+**** <br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo=
+.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom:=
+ 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPL=
+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzZGQ4N2k5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20565" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4NjdobDNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4c. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20566;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJza25vaWFjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4c">=20
+ Re: APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "L. Souris H=
+ong-Porretta" <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofculture.com?Subject=3D=
+ Re%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS">
+ souris@hustlerofculture.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/souris_hong">
+ souris_hong=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 4:34&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Yes. DJ set it up. But there's gotta be MORE entries?! Or is it a <b=
+r>
+HIGHLANDER deal?!<br>
+<br>
+And I think the only thing Juster nominated himself for was more lube <br>
+for that eye socket thingamagiggy.<br>
+<br>
+On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jeannette Harshbarger wrote:<br>
+<br>
+Didn't DavidJ or Juster or cHecker nominate themself for the GOAT <br>
+folder?<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofcult=
+ure.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bott=
+om: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPL=
+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzNjFiMW5mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20566" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4M2M0cDltBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4d. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20568;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzM2RvcnVoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4d">=20
+ Re: APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "David Jacob=
+s" <a href=3D"mailto:djacobs@gmail.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPLE%20APPS=
+%20and%20GOATS">
+ djacobs@gmail.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/pdx_davidj">
+ pdx_davidj=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 4:44&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ &quot;Or is it a HIGHLANDER deal?!&quot;<br>
+<br>
+I just think there's nothing close yet. And I read most of the mails (not<b=
+r>
+this NDA thread, though).<br>
+<br>
+David<br>
+<br>
+On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:34 PM, L. Souris Hong-Porretta &lt;<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>tu=
+re.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yes. DJ set it up. But there's gotta be MORE entries?! Or is it a<br>
+&gt; HIGHLANDER deal?!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And I think the only thing Juster nominated himself for was more lube =
+for<br>
+&gt; that eye socket thingamagiggy.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jeannette Harshbarger wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Didn't DavidJ or Juster or cHecker nominate themself for the GOAT fold=
+er?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:djacobs%40gmail.com">djacobs@gmail.<wbr>com</a><br>
+(646) 244 9910<br>
+<a href=3D"http://hello.typepad.com">http://hello.<wbr>typepad.com</a><br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:djacobs@gmail.com?Su=
+bject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;"=
+>
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPL=
+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzbjE0azI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20568" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4NmFsYWw5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4e. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20569;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzZ2p1dGZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4e">=20
+ Re: APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Jeannette H=
+arshbarger" <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com?Subject=3D Re%3=
+A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS">
+ jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/jeannetteagogo">
+ jeannetteagogo=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 7:44&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Christina was the person that asked for ONE APP RECOMMENDATION PER PE=
+RSON when he got his iPhone.<br>
+<br>
+Here are the ones I use the most:<br>
+<br>
+YELP - Yeah, you can type in &quot;tamales&quot; or &quot;nail salon&quot; =
+or &quot;book store&quot; or &quot;coffee&quot; and hit the &quot;close to =
+my location&quot; button...which will pull up a list and then allow you to =
+click a button which will bring up a map with directions to the business.=
+=C2=A0 I use this ALL the time.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+SHAZAM - Listens to songs and tells you what they are.=C2=A0 You can only a=
+sk for 5 songs a month unless you pay to upgrade ($3.99 i think... I paid).=
+=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+NIKE+<br>
+ GPS - You don't even need the Nike pod thingee for your shoes or the fancy=
+ Nike shoes to use this app.=C2=A0 It tells you how fast you go, it maps yo=
+ur route and uploads your stats to Nike.com so that you can see how far you=
+'ve run / power walked in a week/month/year.=C2=A0 <br>
+THE BEST thing about it is that Tracy Jordan roots for me by saying &quot;t=
+hat's my GURL!&quot; and other fun things when I'm done.=C2=A0 You can also=
+ sync with FB and when someone gives you a thumbs up or comments while you'=
+re running it CHEERS over your music.=C2=A0 Who likes to run?=C2=A0 Not me.=
+=C2=A0 Who likes to run when it's made fun?=C2=A0 I guess me.=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+WORDS WITH FRIENDS:<br>
+Scrabble with strangers or your friends... play at your leisure... you can =
+play like 15 game simultaneously too, I think.=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+INSTAGRAM:<br>
+It's like flickr with dumb hipstamatic type processing and you can &quot;sh=
+are&quot; a photo which posts it in a stream that everyone that's following=
+ you can see.=C2=A0 A bunch of us are on it.=C2=A0 To quote Jason - &quot;H=
+ey Instagram... CAT PHOTO, CAT PHOTO, CAT PHOTO.... How do YOU like it?&quo=
+t;=C2=A0 I keep looking for cats to photograph to share with Jason, but I d=
+on't ever see any....<br>
+<br>
+FB<br>
+It's nice to just look at / post / and get notified of FB activity on a pho=
+ne app without having to log onto a computer.=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+KAYAK<br>
+Research travel on the go<br>
+<br>
+INCEPTION:<br>
+Fun...creepy.<wbr>...fun and creepy.=C2=A0 You'll need headphones with a bu=
+ilt in microphone tho...<br>
+<br>
+REDBOX:<br>
+I can reserve a $1 movie from my neighborhood kiosk (the 7-11 around the co=
+rner) and pick it up later before it runs out.=C2=A0 Popular titles run out=
+ sometimes.=C2=A0 When you just don't want to wait for damned Netflix to co=
+me in the mail.=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+AIM:<br>
+You know when you IM me sometimes and I'm slow in responding?=C2=A0 I'm usi=
+ng the mobile version of IM and am texting with one finger.=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+MOONPHASE:<br>
+Cuz I like to know the phase of the moon...<br>
+<br>
+FARECOMPARE<br>
+Also for travel.=C2=A0 Sends you alerts when a price drops or goes up on yo=
+ur watch list.=C2=A0 Self explanatory, really.<br>
+<br>
+EBAY:<br>
+As if I don't have enough of a problem with Ebay...<br>
+<br>
+TWEETDECK<br>
+Lets you follow your stream, has @replies in a sep column, DMs in another c=
+olumn and any lists you may follow in OTHER columns.=C2=A0 Good if you're s=
+earching for a certain keyword too (like #bedbugs )=C2=A0 <br>
+<br>
+TRIP ADVISOR<br>
+Mobile app - same as site<br>
+<br>
+--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Souris Hong-Porretta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hu=
+stlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+From: Souris Hong-Porretta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.=
+com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: [frieNDA] APPLE APPS and GOATS<br>
+To: <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA%40yahoogroups.com">frieNDA@yahoogroups<wbr>.c=
+om</a><br>
+Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:26<br>
+ PM<br>
+<br>
+=C2=A0<br>
+<br>
+Welcome to 2007, my friends!<br>
+DANIEL TERDIMAN has loaned me his spare 32GB iTouch and I want to check out=
+ everything you guys have been raving about. EXCEPT THAT, when I went to ac=
+cess the frieNDA files, there was NO SUCH file for APPLE APPS, as many time=
+s as I know others have inquired about it. Normally, I'd go through ALL MY =
+FRIENDA EMAIL and search and find the answers, but with the recent crash of=
+ the server I was hosted on, I ended up losing thousands of my emails (I al=
+so deleted my apple account not knowing it would wipe out my mail messages =
+so this really screwed up my back up / rebooting process). BLAH BLAH BLAH.<=
+br>
+WHO, I said... WHO on this board has asked for the apps before? Can you sen=
+d me the suggested list and I'll add it to a master file in the MISCELLANEO=
+US folder.<br>
+Also, Wiley's DEFENSE OF THE IPAD is the sole entry to the GOAT (greatest o=
+f all time frieNDA<br>
+ posts). Is it true that we only have ONE POST that qualifies for GOAT stat=
+us?!<br>
+THANKS in advance!<br>
+xosourisxo<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+souris hong-porretta3101 5th street #5=C2=A0santa monica, ca 90405<br>
+310.500.7870 mobile<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.comwww.hustlerofculture.com">so=
+uris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.comwww.<wbr>hustlerofculture<wbr>.com</a>@hustle=
+rculture<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.comwww.tinyironfists.com">tinyironf=
+ists@<wbr>gmail.comwww.<wbr>tinyironfists.<wbr>com</a>@tinyironfists<br>
+**** <br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
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+g-top:2em;">
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+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo=
+.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom:=
+ 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPL=
+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzZ2pwcnJuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU2OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20569" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4MXR2dmtsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU2OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4f. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20571;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzN2Vnc2x2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU3MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4f">=20
+ Re: APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Jeannette H=
+arshbarger" <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com?Subject=3D Re%3=
+A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS">
+ jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/jeannetteagogo">
+ jeannetteagogo=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 7:48&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/14301">http:=
+//groups.<wbr>yahoo.com/<wbr>group/frieNDA/<wbr>message/14301</a><br>
+<br>
+--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Jeannette Harshbarger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeannettea=
+gogo%40yahoo.com">jeannetteagogo@<wbr>yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+From: Jeannette Harshbarger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo%40yahoo.co=
+m">jeannetteagogo@<wbr>yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [frieNDA] APPLE APPS and GOATS<br>
+To: <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA%40yahoogroups.com">frieNDA@yahoogroups<wbr>.c=
+om</a><br>
+Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:44 PM<br>
+<br>
+=C2=A0<br>
+<br>
+Christina was the person that asked for ONE APP RECOMMENDATION PER PERSON w=
+hen he got his iPhone.<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo=
+.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom:=
+ 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPL=
+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzdGxiMzVqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU3MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20571" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4NmJwNDE0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU3MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4g. </dt=
+>
+ <dd style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20572;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzYmU4dmMzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU3MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4g">=20
+ Re: APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "L. Souris H=
+ong-Porretta" <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofculture.com?Subject=3D=
+ Re%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS">
+ souris@hustlerofculture.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/souris_hong">
+ souris_hong=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 8:07&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ awesome thanks! that didn't pull up in YAHOO SEARCH for me (that thin=
+g <br>
+fucking sucks)!<br>
+<br>
+Christina... tsk. tsk. TSK!<br>
+<br>
+On Jan 20, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Jeannette Harshbarger wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/14301">http://grou=
+ps.<wbr>yahoo.com/<wbr>group/frieNDA/<wbr>message/14301</a><br>
+<br>
+--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Jeannette Harshbarger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeannettea=
+gogo%40yahoo.com">jeannetteagogo@<wbr>yahoo.com</a>&gt; <br>
+wrote:<br>
+<br>
+From: Jeannette Harshbarger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo%40yahoo.co=
+m">jeannetteagogo@<wbr>yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [frieNDA] APPLE APPS and GOATS<br>
+To: <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA%40yahoogroups.com">frieNDA@yahoogroups<wbr>.c=
+om</a><br>
+Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:44 PM<br>
+<br>
+Christina was the person that asked for ONE APP RECOMMENDATION PER <br>
+PERSON when he got his iPhone.<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+<br>
+souris hong-porretta<br>
+3101 5th street #5<br>
+santa monica, ca 90405<br>
+<br>
+310.500.7870 mobile<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>tu=
+re.com</a><br>
+www.hustlerofcultur<wbr>e.com<br>
+@hustlerculture<br>
+<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:tinyironfists%40gmail.com">tinyironfists@<wbr>gmail.com</=
+a><br>
+www.tinyironfists.<wbr>com<br>
+@tinyironfists<br>
+<br>
+****<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:souris@hustlerofcult=
+ure.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bott=
+om: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPL=
+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzcGdrdDYxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU3MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20572" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4cTYxYjRwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU3MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">4h. </dt=
+>
+ <dd class=3D"last" style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20573;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzbzY2N2JoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU3MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"4h">=20
+ Re: APPLE APPS and GOATS </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Kim Pallist=
+er" <a href=3D"mailto:kim_pallister@hotmail.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APP=
+LE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS">
+ kim_pallister@hotmail.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/kpallist2">
+ kpallist2=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 8:08&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Reeder + Instapaper FT*MF*W! Though I use both 90% of the time on ipa=
+d. Still nice to have both on ipad &amp; iPhone.<br>
+<br>
+I like the Chase photo-check deposit app.<br>
+<br>
+Shazam, pandora, snaptell, wikiamo, Netflix all get used a lot<br>
+<br>
+Sent from my SpacePhone<br>
+<br>
+On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:34 PM, &quot;L. Souris Hong-Porretta&quot; &lt;<a hre=
+f=3D"mailto:souris%40hustlerofculture.com">souris@hustlerofcul<wbr>ture.com=
+</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Yes. DJ set it up. But there's gotta be MORE entries?! Or is it a HIGH=
+LANDER deal?!<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; And I think the only thing Juster nominated himself for was more lube =
+for that eye socket thingamagiggy.<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jeannette Harshbarger wrote:<br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; Didn't DavidJ or Juster or cHecker nominate themself for the GOAT fold=
+er? <br>
+&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:kim_pallister@hotmai=
+l.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20APPLE%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom=
+: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA@yahoogroups.com?Subject=3D Re%3A%20APPL=
+E%20APPS%20and%20GOATS" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">group<=
+/span>
+ </a> |
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/post;_ylc=3DX3oD=
+MTJzb2VnNWZwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIxOTE2OAR=
+tc2dJZAMyMDU3MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0?act=3Dreply&m=
+essageNum=3D20573" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">via web p=
+ost</span>
+ </a> <br>
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20564;_y=
+lc=3DX3oDMTM4ZjFqMDYxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNz=
+IxOTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU3MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0BHRwY=
+0lkAzIwNTY0" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Messages in this topic=20
+ </a> (8)
+ </div> </dd>
+ </dl>
+ <dl class=3D"last" >
+ <dt style=3D"display: block; float: left; font-size: 92%;">5. </dt>
+ <dd class=3D"last" style=3D"border-bottom: 4px solid #ccc;">=20
+ <h2 style=3D"font-size:100%; font-family:Georgia; font-weight:bold; mar=
+gin: 0 0 5px 0;">
+ <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frieNDA/message/20570;_ylc=
+=3DX3oDMTJzZDYycTU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4ODY5MjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzIx=
+OTE2OARtc2dJZAMyMDU3MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjk1NjAyMDE0" name=
+=3D"5">=20
+ Fw: [frieNDA] iphone apps </a>
+ </h2>
+ <h3 style=3D"font: 100% Arial; margin: 0;">Posted by: "Jeannette H=
+arshbarger" <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com?Subject=3D Re%3=
+A%20Fw%3A%20%5BfrieNDA%5D%20iphone%20apps">
+ jeannetteagogo@yahoo.com </a>
+ &nbsp;
+ <a href=3D"http://profiles.yahoo.com/jeannetteagogo">
+ jeannetteagogo=20
+ </a>
+ </h3>
+ <h4 style=3D"font: 77% verdana; margin: 0 0 20px 0;">
+ Thu Jan&nbsp;20,&nbsp;2011 7:46&nbsp;pm (PST) </h4>
+
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-content" style=3D"font-family:Georgia; font-size:100=
+%; line-height:122%;">
+ <br><br>
+ Maybe you can follow the entire string of answers from the link at th=
+e bottom of this email...<br>
+<br>
+--- On Sat, 1/23/10, christian svanes kolding &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christi=
+an%40farmfreshfilms.com">christian@farmfresh<wbr>films.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
+r>
+<br>
+From: christian svanes kolding &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christian%40farmfreshf=
+ilms.com">christian@farmfresh<wbr>films.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: [frieNDA] iphone apps<br>
+To: <a href=3D"mailto:frieNDA%40yahoogroups.com">frieNDA@yahoogroups<wbr>.c=
+om</a><br>
+Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:54 AM<br>
+<br>
+=C2=A0<br>
+<br>
+esteemed members of the board, now that we've upgraded to the iphone, i pre=
+sent you with the time-honoured questions:<br>
+<br>
+what is your favourite iphone app? and why is it your favourite? <br>
+<br>
+please limit your response to only one app.<br>
+<br>
+thank you.<br>
+<br>
+humbly submitted,<br>
+<br>
+csk<br>
+<br>
+. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br>
+<br>
+christian svanes kolding<br>
+<br>
+christian@christian svaneskolding. com<br>
+<br>
+&#43;45 26 36 34 70<br>
+<br>
+&#43;1 310 848 7310<br>
+<br>
+ichat: christiansvanes (text first, please)<br>
+<br>
+ </div>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
+=20=20=20=20
+ <div class=3D"ygrp-dateline" style=3D"clear: both; font-family: Arial; =
+line-height: 140%; padding: 10px 0; margin-bottom: 20px;">
+ <div class=3D"offset" style=3D"float: right;font: 77% verdana; paddin=
+g-top:2em;">
+ <a href=3D"#toc" style=3D"padding-bottom: 20px;">
+ Back to top </a>
+ </div> <a href=3D"mailto:jeannetteagogo@yahoo=
+.com?Subject=3DRe%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5BfrieNDA%5D%20iphone%20apps" style=3D"padd=
+ing-bottom: 20px;">
+ Reply to <span class=3D"bld" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">sender=
+</span>
+ </a> |
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